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The Value of Harrelson Trumpets

4/25/2013

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We all value high quality, the latest technology and personal customer service, right? So why then do we so often settle for the lowest price? Having served the custom trumpet market for half of my life, I often wonder why anyone would purchase a Bach or Yamaha trumpet for more than $1500. There is a price point where it makes sense to seriously consider quality, technology and service. Purchasing a Bach or Yamaha could possibly get you quality depending on the vintage and specific build of the instrument and customer service is subject to the retailer, but where is the technology?

$1501 is too much!
Why do I believe $1500 is the maximum you should spend on a factory-built horn? The short answer is that I don't believe Bach and Yamaha trumpets hold real value more than this amount. The design and production of factory-built horns has changed very little in the past several decades and in many cases over fifty years, so why should you pay more for the same product?

When I was in high school, a brand new Bach Stradivarius was priced around $1500 at the music store. The exact same model 37 in silver plate today lists for $4125.00 and is on sale for $2959. For $41 more, you could own a Harrelson HT3 or Bravura S model, which is significantly easier to play.

Now some will say that inflation is to blame for the price increase, but I disagree. Inflation would only be a valid factor if the 1980's product was equal to today's product. You wouldn't value a calculator from 1985 the same as a calculator today unless today's version was on par with the current technology. For example, the TI-81 calculator was introduced in 1990 for $110. Today, a free application on my mobile phone has more capability and functions than this once coveted mathematical wonder. Today's equivalent to the the TI-81 is the new full color TI-84+C, which incorporates the newest processors and incredibly complex functions when compared to the TI-81 for only $190. It is interesting to note that the adjusted inflation for $110 in 1990 is equivalent to $190.30 in 2012 dollars. So Texas Instruments has effectively priced their calculator at the same price while the technology has greatly increased.

Value of a production trumpets today vs. 25 years ago
Consider the Bach Stradivarius once more. Remember, the price of a Bach Strad was $1500 in 1988 when I was in high school. The equivalent price today adjusted for inflation is $2866.46. However, Bach trumpets now sell for a minimum of $2959 or almost $100 more than their old value. Now compare the differences between the 1988 Bach trumpet and today's version. They are nearly identical with one obvious difference, the new version has cheap light computer engraving on the bell in place of the very clean deep bell stamps of yesteryear. There are other slight differences in production, but none of which I would characterize as improvements and certainly none that have incorporated modern technology with the goal of improving the playability of the horn. If anyone reading this knows any different, please feel free to correct me. I take Bach Strads in on trade every few weeks and have yet to observe any advances in design or efficiency. So we have a slightly less valuable Bach trumpet available today for approximately $100 more than the 1988 offering.

This would be the equivalent of going to the store today and purchasing a TI-81 calculator made by 1990 standards for around $200 while the option to purchase a different brand calculator on par with today's TI-84+C is available for less. In reality, today's Bach Stradivarius is worth no more than what it was is 1988 or 1968 for that matter. This instrument reached its development peak in the 1940's, yet it remains a strong selling brand thanks to the efforts of Vincent Bach himself. I have great respect for Vincent Bach and his hand built instruments, yet I do not believe they hold nearly the value customers pay every single day. A very long history of advertising, artist endorsements and customer loyalty are to blame for the popularity of this instrument. But the high price is likely a result of consumers overpaying simply because they were told to do so.

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The Golden Age of Trumpet
Think of all the products that have changed over the last twenty, thirty, even fifty years due to advances in technology. Automobiles, televisions, cameras, heating and cooling systems, even the light bulb have come so incredibly far! And where are the advances in brass instrument design? Well, I would like to think they are right here at Harrelson Trumpets. There are many other great innovators working to improve brass instruments and it is up to the individual consumers to take notice and participate in the revolution that will soon become the norm. Now is possibly the most exciting time to be a trumpet player as we have resources like youtube, google searches and companies taking huge risks to bring you more options than ever existed. I am grateful to be here today serving so many of you each and every day building trumpets, mouthpieces, accessories and everything in between!

Will you settle for average?
The long answer to my original question, "Why do I believe $1500 is the maximum you should spend on a factory-built horn?" is really all about attitude. Do you want the very best in life or are you willing to settle for status quo? I ask myself this question quite often and the answer to simple things like a haircut, blue jeans and travel arrangements is that I'm happy with consuming the average offerings in these areas of living. But when it comes to the really important details in life like choosing tires for Minnesota driving, dinner with my wonderful girlfriend, a new cnc machine or the horn I play, I am putting my money on the very best options available. This is literally why I started building trumpets 18 years ago, to create what was not available for sale at that time, an amazing instrument that met my high expectations. In my opinion, fifteen hundred dollars is far too much to spend on an average horn designed and built to meet 1940's expectations.

Endorsements and False Advertising

I am often asked by the up and coming younger players for a free trumpet. Apparently, the new generation of trumpet players today are so confident in their abilities that they truly believe they deserve a tangible reward from a complete stranger. This is a point of discussion every so often here in the shop and office. The consensus is that some people are out of touch with reality and that this attitude stems directly from the advertising techniques of large corporations.

We're all familiar with Nike paying Michael Jordan a lot of money to wear their shoes and so on, but why do we buy into this false advertising. When a specific person (or celebrity) endorses a product, they often do this for the perks and rarely for any other reason. Paying someone undisclosed large sums of money does not influence my decision to purchase the same product. In fact, it sends me looking at competitor's products who focus on innovation rather than popularity.

I truly believe that all paid endorsements are some form of false advertising. When a customer must be paid to play a specific brand trumpet, there is something wrong. I only consider unpaid endorsements and those of the innovators, inventors and owners of companies. Even then, consider that an endorsement is nothing more than a person publicly stating their preference for a product. Adolph Herseth played Bach and sounded amazing throughout his long career with the Chicago Symphony. Wynton Marsalis plays Monette and captivates me with every note on dozens of albums and live performances. And Louis Armstrong, one of my all time favorite jazz trumpeters, performed on a variety of trumpet brands and models. Regardless, I would not expect to sound or play like any of these great musicians just because I purchased the same model. In fact, I have played numerous examples of most of their instruments and still sounded like me at the end of the day.

My message to young players hoping to land an endorsement is simple. If you don't love it (a specific trumpet) enough to pay for it, then you're fooling yourself into believing you are better than others. Trumpet playing is not about being the best, it is about expressing your thoughts and feelings to your audience while conversing with your fellow musicians on stage. Seeking endorsements has nothing to do with making beautiful music and has the potential to limit your career opportunities and growth as a musician.

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Higher Quality, Design, Engineering & Production are within reach
In writing this blog entry, I have been contemplating not publishing any of this and filing it away for my own reflection. I am generally not one to sell my wares through blatant comparisons as I feel each person will seek out what will best fit their needs. However, if this were true then I would not be receiving hundreds of emails and phone calls every month with requests from players to upgrade their equipment. The simple truth is that most trumpet players struggle with knowing their options or prefer the simplicity of buying what is popular only to find years down the road that they have chosen an average product rather than a real, lasting solution.

Consider the following possibilities when working with Harrelson Trumpets:

  • Trade your used trumpet(s) and/or other instruments towards the purchase price
  • Make payments over the course of 6 months (we have offered this option for 10 years)
  • Purchase a nice used Harrelson Trumpet at a discounted price
  • Increase your budget for a future purchase of a truly custom trumpet that will grow in value

You will never know the advantages of having a truly custom horn built to your specifications until you have done it for yourself. We have over a thousand positive reviews of our products and the vast majority of them are written in a personal, thankful way that makes us feel like our clients are really our friends and collaborators. Working with each individual, their concerns, goals and dreams is really what our company is all about and I am thankful for every opportunity I have to work with all of you.

Please consider the true value of everything you consume and purchase whether it be food, shelter, transportation or entertainment based. Is what you are consuming an asset that will grow in value? Will this asset solve problems and bring happiness to your life? Is it worth the price tag when compared to other viable options? Who stands behind this asset and what is their motivation in bringing it to market? Answering these questions will help us be mindful of our consumption trends. Maybe some of you have ideas to share? If so, please leave a note!

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8 Comments
James Schuhs
4/26/2013 08:27:55 am

I'd love to try one of your trumpets. I live in Phoenix AZ. Is there a reasonable way for me to try your instrument(s) without purchasing before playing or without driving halfway across the country?

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JH
5/1/2013 05:36:30 am

James, you can ask on our Facebook page as we have customers all over the country and many have been happy showing their personal horns to prospective clients. There will be opportunities in the future as I travel often. Also, I am opening a second Harrelson Trumpets location in Denver in December so that would be much closer.

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RobbieG
4/26/2013 11:06:34 am

I'd like a free trumpet customized. I think Wynton Marsalis is to blame for this. He makes trumpet players believe that he gets free customized trumpets from Monette.

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JH
5/1/2013 05:37:36 am

I believe Bach and Yamaha are the primary instigators in the trumpet world. I only know of a few people who have received heavy discounts from Monette.

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Greg Zent
5/1/2013 05:56:47 am

Absolutely fantastic blog!

Jason tells it like it is. I own 2 custom made trumpets from HT, and am on my second Bb. This isn't because I found flaws in the first Bb, but that Jason keeps improving his product every day and makes it VERY easy to trade in your current trumpet for the newest model he has created.

Keep up the awesome work and I'll keep loving my HT trumpets!

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Jeffrey atherton
11/26/2017 01:10:15 pm

I have , never played your , trumpets I had a , Bach 37! In the 70s it sucked .,I play onCalicchio
Free blowing they were custom made fugal , trumpet

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brenton cameron trent link
1/25/2018 08:19:41 pm

THERE IS A GUY THAT PLAYS GREAT HIS NAME IS VALDO KUMPAN ONE PIECE HE PLAYS IS ONE MOMENT IN TIME WHAT TRUMPET OF YOURS DOES HE PLAY ON IF ANY

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BenM
6/19/2018 12:21:53 pm

I just purchased a used Summit built in 2015. 5 lead / 8 bell. I want to say upfront that I had no issues what so ever with my other Jazz horn I played. After years of searching I thought it "was the one". I bought this more out of curiosity . But after a few days of getting this Summit and getting acclimated to this horn .... well all I can say is "wow". JH ...these horns are truly amazing.

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